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Harry Potter
7/19/2005
Blogging them as I think of them, so that later I can comment on how close (or not) I was to the mark so soon after HBP. SPOILERS of course.
Something was going on between Snape and Lily, back in the day. Exactly what, I'm not sure. I suspect that when Petunia said "I heard... that awful boy... telling her about them", Snape was the awful boy in question, not James. The fans have been talking about Snape/Lily for years, but I was never convinced until now, but this book had a LOT of hints in that direction. The fact that Slughorn keeps mentioning Harry's inheriting Lily's talent when in fact he's getting the tips from Snape, for example. And the fact that Snape showed so much alleged remorse after he found out how Voldemort interpreted the prophecy.

Speaking of which, I'm now convinced that Snape is good. I'd been thinking for a while that perhaps Dumbledore had given him an order that required him to keep up the pretense of being a loyal Death Eater even if it required him to kill Dumbledore, but on rereading the book, it turns out that Dumbledore did give him exactly that order, even though Hagrid didn't grasp the significance of what he'd heard. Snape "didn't want to do it any more" and Dumbledore said that he'd given his word and that was the end of it. Furthermore, Dumbledore mentioned "investigations in his House" - I'm sure that referred to Spinner's End, not Slytherin, but I don't quite get the significance yet. Perhaps a Horcrux is stashed away there? In which case, who's the Spinner?

An interesting note, but not a prediction as such: from the note it's clear that R.A.B. didn't actually figure out that there was more than one Horcrux. Harry's on his own as far as finding the rest of them.

Here's one that's my twist on what the Leaky Cauldron posters figured out. The TLC people figured out in this thread that R.A.B. is indeed Regulus Black because he took the locket back to Grimmauld Place, and it showed up during the cleaning in Phoenix. Furthermore, it's quite possible that Mundungus stole it. My twist: Mundungus didn't just steal it, he sold it to Aberforth Dumbledore (who as many fans figured out years ago, is the bartender of the Hog's Head) outside the Three Broomsticks!
HP & the Half-blood Prince
By RoseMorninStar (Email) at 2005/07/21 05:24

Well, I agree with you that, even though I don't think Snape is 'good'... he is not all bad either. JKR does like to show that in her characters. I do believe that the overheard arguement between Snape & Dumbledore-where Snape says that too much is being asked of him-is perhaps where Dumbledore asks Snape to follow through on his unbreakable vow if need be because Snape will be very much needed before the end. Not to mention had Snape not killed Dumbledore...one of the other Death eaters would have anyway.
A couple of other thoughts. Voldemort used some of Harry's blood in his rebirthing so that he would also recieve some of the mysterious protection that Harry had... as a result, Voldemort could touch Harry with no ill effects. If Dumbledore 'sacrificed' himself for Harry's sake.. would that not give Harry yet more protection of the same sort? And Voldemort would not be aware of it either. I do not think Dumbledore is the type of wizard who would ever 'beg' for his life. When he said 'please' to Snape.. it was so that he would carry out what he had already promised to do.

That said, I still have my doubts about what the outcome of Dumbledores death will be.I keep thinking about what he said to Draco shortly before Snape arrived on the scene. He told Draco that they (The Order of the Phoenix) could hide someone more completely than he could ever imagine... and that 'He cannot kill you if you are already dead'. So is that a hint that Dumbledore is not really dead.. but in hiding of some sort? I know that seems far fetched, but those 'clues' make me wonder. Had Snape made some sort of Unbreakable Vow earlier to Dumbledore... and that would cancel out any later such vows?

Another thought about RAB (assuming it is Regulus) The Blacks hated Mudbloods/half-bloods. Should he have found out Voldemorts 'secret'(is the secret the horcrux-or the fact that Voldemort is a half-blood?)a member of the Black family could feel a great deal of anger and betrayal to have been strung along by a half-blood posing as a pure-blood. The reason I say this is at the end of The Order of the Phoenix, Harry tells this bit of info to Bellatrix Lastrange and she assumes Harry is lying. I wonder how she would feel knowing that her Dark 'Lord' she is so devoted to is really a half-blood?

One other thing... I do think there was something very special about Lily that we have not found out as yet. From reading interviews that JKR has given, it seems that Voldemort would have let Lily live had she gotten out of the way. That does not seem very Voldemort-like. Why could this possibly be? What was it about her green eyes? It seemed very special to Professor Slughorn too. Did it also mean something to Snape? (whatever it is?)

JKR also says there is more to Petunia than meets the eye. What could that be?

Good points
By Stuart Ballard at 2005/07/21 12:24

I don't think Dumbledore's coming back - JKR has said in interviews that it was necessary for the story for him to die so Harry wouldn't have his protection.

I do wonder if Snape took Malfoy into his protection and is now telling Voldemort that he's dead.

Another thing I wonder is whether Voldemort would keep a promise if he made one. If the Lily/Snape rumors are true, it's possible that Voldemort promised Snape "anything he asked" as a reward for the information about the prophecy, and Snape's request was that he spare Lily. I noticed that for all Voldemort's evil, we've never yet seen him actually outright lying to the Death Eaters, as far as I know. They all seem sure he'd reward them if they do well, and it seems unlikely they'd still believe that after all this time if they hadn't seen him reward people in the past.

I think JKR said that Lily's protection was because she had the specific opportunity to step aside and not be killed (otherwise lots of other sacrifices, including James's, would also count). Dumbledore didn't have that specific chance, so it probably doesn't count.

I wonder what Snape's so necessary for that makes him more valuable than Dumbledore?

The only part of the book I have a hard time explaining if Snape is good is that he boasted that his information helped in the killing of Emmaline (sp?) Vance. I did notice that Harry doesn't actually ask Dumbledore about that murder, and I wonder if she's not dead after all...

Snape
By MaryH at 2005/07/21 14:52

Snape was necessary to save Malfoy.

If Malfoy fails, and someone other than Snape kills Dumbledore, then Voldemort marks him for death and he has no protection.

Still not sure if this was Dumbledore's instruction (if so, the rest of the Order ought to get some message left by Dumbledore to that effect in the next book).

I think Snape was in love with Narcissa, and it seemed to come down to killing Dumbledore or saving Malfoy, and he chose Malfoy.

I wouldn't be surprised if Snape had loved and lost twice - Narcissa and Lily.

Prediction: In the last book, Harry gets the horcruxes but Snape kills Voldemort, and then dies himself (I'll bet anyone marked as a deatheater can't harm V and live).

Half-Blood Prince
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/21 15:57

Snape is/was a double agent. We all know that. He has had to be a damn good one in order #1, to fool Voldemort all of these years and #2, to have deserved Dumbledore's unwavering trust all of this time.
I can only think of two possibilities here. Snape is extremely loyal to one or the other of the sides OR he is loyal only to himself and either side is incidental.It is a wonder to his 'abilities' that he had the complete trust of both Voldemort AND Dumbledore.. while other people on both sides did not feel that he could be trusted. He is very slick-and in a very precarious/sticky situation. IF Snape is truly on the 'good' side, he must have very strong beliefs/reasons for wanting to see Voldemort gone.

Regarding your comment about Emmeline Vance-Snape took some credit for providing information that lead to her murder (and also that of Sirius Black), but could that have just been information that he conveniently and opportunistically took credit for? Double spies do have to walk a razor's edge to be useful-but what is it that caused Dumbledore to place so much trust in Snape in the first place? I do not think it is the lame excuse he told Harry-and if it is, then Dumbledore had a great weakness for having unwarrented faith in others-to his detrpment.

(Just curious, do you remember which interview JKR said that Dumbledore was definitely dead in? I know I have read one in which she has said that about Sirius, but the ones I have read about Dumbledore's death seem to be a bit more ambiguous.)

Could Lily have been an 'Unspeakable'? Could she have worked for the department of mysteries? Would Voldemort have spared her in order to retrieve information from the department of mysteries? Did she work with the room that contained the greatest power of all (love)? She was good at charms-and she invoked some type of ancient magic to save Harry-something Voldemort did not put stock in. Again, there is something very speicial about Lily Potter.

What would make Snape more valuable than Dumbledore? Hmm..I will attempt to give some possibilities. First of all, Dumbledore, to me, seemed to be giving Harry as much information as he would need in this book to fight this fight on his own as he must. No one can do it for him. When Dumbledore defeated the dark wizard Grindelwald... what did he learn that he knows might help Harry? Also, Dumbledore thought that there WERE things worse than death. His Patronus was a Phoenix..what does that tell us about Dumbledore? So if he does not fear death... what is Dumbledore's greatest fear? Dumbledore may still be able to give some guidance to Harry via portraits, etc.. but Snape being able to ultimately hinder the dark lord by manipulating his weaknesses is a possibility. I don't like Snape.. but I am not sure he is wholey evil either. I don't know why... I think it is in part because I think characters who are either all good or all bad are too one-dimensional and I think JKR (as did JRR Tolkien)like to show human nature as it is.. full of contradictions and conundrums and multi-dimensional.That gets us back to why would Snape be more useful than Dumbledore, well, why did Dumbledore seemingly stalls Draco... yet it seemed Snape quickly took care of what had to be done.. so that none of the others would do it? What did Dumbledore mean, when confronted, wandless, before Draco, when he said, "It is my mercy, and not yours, that matters now." ?
Why did Snape not even try to get Draco to do the dirty deed? Because Snape really was evil/wanted the glory for his own? Realized they didn't have much time? Or could it be something to do with a previous agreement? It is curious indeed.
But I digress.. what important purpose could Snape yet serve? I would imagine Voldemort may need a secret keeper. Someone who knows where his horcruxes are so as to retrieve them if needed-that type of thing. Only someone very trusted could Voldemort find use of. JKR seems to be using general information (in regards to Voldemort) that applies to other mass murderers. Eventually they become overbold and careless, therein lies their downfall.

Snape bad or good???
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/21 17:10

I think snape is good. You have listed many of the reasons. The conversation between them. And if Dumbldore is not dead and Snape is loyal to him and no one knows he is dead no one would question snape's loyoltly to Voldemort. He could give DD all the info. Also in book 5. When harry tells snape that pad foot is at the ministry, if snape was bad why did he act. Harry did not say sound the alarm, he gave it to him in sort of a riddle. Snape could have easily said i did not understand and not be in trouble. And he does send the order which actually prevents the death eaters from getting the prophecy. So good or bad well have to wait...

More on Snape and Malfoy
By MaryH at 2005/07/21 18:32

If Dumbledore instructed Snape to kill him if Malfoy fails, I think it was to try to save Malfoy's life. I don't think Dumbledore judges whether a life is "important" enough to be saved - just whether it is possible or not. I don't think JK is either. Dumbledore doesn't consider himself indispensable, and doesn't fear death.

I think Snape hates Voldemort for killing Lily, whom he loved. I think he hates Harry for being the reason Lily died.

Dumbledore thinks the only thing that can really stand up against Voldemort is love, so if he trusts Snape, Snape must love someone (or more than one).

In Half Blood Prince, Dumbledore makes a point of saying that the prophecy is not true in and of itself. I think this is a setup for Harry NOT being the one who ends up killing Voldemort (or at least the part of him left in his body).

It would be more interesting if Snape turned out NOT to be working on Dumbledore's orders in the killing, but also defies Voldemort to keep Malfoy from being killed. Then you'd have the good guys, the bad guys, and Snape as a one person side of his own.

Hmm...
By Stuart Ballard at 2005/07/21 20:03

Interestingly, I thought she'd said he was really dead in the awesome interview currently being posted on the Leaky Cauldron (www.the-leaky-cauldron.org) but apparently she didn't say it in as many words. I'm pretty sure he is dead - for the same reasons that Sirius is, it's simply necessary to the story that he not be able to pop up and save Harry anymore - but you're right, it hasn't been categorically stated yet, unless it was a different interview I read it in.

I think Dumbledore's mercy was in allowing Draco *not* to be the one to kill him, by getting Snape to do it instead. Somehow killing Dumbledore would have been a *very bad* thing for Draco - not sure exactly how though.

Dumbledore
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/21 21:12

The only thing that makes me think that Dumbledore has *really* died is that Harry's petrificus totalus spell was lifted. Otherwise I would have a great deal of doubt. In either case, as I said earlier, I think Dumbledore knew this might happen and had made some arrangements. I don't think he was completely caught off guard.I also think (refering to the prophecy again) that 'he (Harry) will have powers the dark lord knows not...' since the dark lord now knows about the powers bestowed upon him by Lily's sacrifice...and Voldemort took measures to avail himself to those powers too (by using Harry's blood in his rebirthing ceremony)did Dumbledore (if he is really dead) allocate Harry powers by the sacrifice of his death... knowing that the most important thing is that Voldemort be vanquished-whatever the cost. JKR could go several ways with this plot line and it will be interesting to see what she does.

Petrificus Totalis
By Stuart Ballard at 2005/07/22 12:17

If Dumbledore wanted Harry to believe he had died, he's perfectly capable of lifting the Petrificus Totalis himself :)

Having said that, *my* biggest reason for believing he's really dead (other than the fact that it's necessary for the story) is that Dumbledore knows full well the effect his death will have on Harry, and has too much compassion to do that to him if it isn't really necessary. He also knows he can trust Harry and could tell him to not reveal the plan to anyone if need be.

Dumbledore
By Bob M (Email) at 2005/07/22 17:55

Dumbledore defeated the wizard Griswald(sp.) The only way to make a horcruxe is to kill some one. I wonder(this is just a theroy) that defeated means killed him and he made a horcruxe. I know JKR said Dumbledore had to die so Harry could fight without protection. But what if Harry doesnt know untill the very end of the book. That would be cool if Harry planned of getting the horcruxes after one more year at Hogwarts and tranning, while hes there Dumbledore is secretly hunting the horcruxes, and in the end he reveals himself to Harry and he takes down LV. I also think that Harry is not a strong enough wizard to kill LV even when hes mortal, so I think that the final showdown will be at the dept. of mystries and Harry will knock him throught the vail.

Vanquishing a Dark Lord
By RoseMorninStar (Email) at 2005/07/22 19:13

I noticed a couple of times in this last book (Half-blood Prince) that there were certain things that JKR alluded to that fits the profile of a serial killer. (Young Tom Riddle's cruelty to animals, etc...) One thing that usually 'does in' serial killers... and criminals at large, is that they become over confident and careless. They begin to feel invincible. They underestimate their opponent. I think that will happen in book 7.

Dumbledore says that Voldemnort puts little stock in an old type of magic (which I think is Love)and I also think that is what is in that 'unspeakable room' in the department of mysteries. I also wonder, since we have never been told what work Lily & James did, if they didn't work in the Department of Mysteries.. perhaps even as an unspeakable for that locked room which contains strong old magic.

I do think when it says on Dumbledore's Chocolate frog card that he 'defeated the Dark Wizard Grindelwald' it does mean that he killed him.

Stuart, I agree with you that Dumbledore would not have faked his death lightly... but I also do not think Dumbledore 'begged' for his life to be spared.Whether he is dead (most likely) or alive (faked death) I think it was part of a plan that was discussed before hand. I too think Dumbledore is probably really dead-but a small part of me is wondering if there won't be some kind of plot twist here. I think that in some way Dumbledore will be able to give guidance & support to young Harry...even if it is only through his portrait.

Something else just came to mind.. think of Harry pretending to give Ron the Felix felicis potion (faking him out) to give Ron the courage to do what needed to be done. For whatever reason, if we are to believe the prophecy, Harry has something that no one else has, that will help him defeat Voldemort.He *had* his mother's protection, which is no longer valid because of Voldemort's use of Harry's blood in the rebirthing ceremony.. does Harry have something else? Or did Dumbledores death (sacrifice?) confir some type of special magic upon Harry? We also have to think of the life debt that Harry has with Wormtail... where does it say that Harry's sacrifice may someday pay off? (reminds me of Frodo's grace toward Gollum when he allowed him to live). And of couse the life debt Snape had to James from saving him from Lupin the werewolf.. was that passed on to Harry?

One other thing that I thought of, will that power to defeat the Dark Lord be the knowledge of the Horcruxes? Will it be the knowledge that Voldemort is a half-blood and will all of his pure-blood loving followers turn on him (as perhaps R.A.B. did)?

I can't wait to see which way JKR goes with the plot!!

Snape
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/22 22:12

Bear with me here, i am just speculating. Personally i belive dd is dead but snape is a good guy. Is it possible that Snape did not mean the AK curse and it did not kill him. That would explain why it threw him back and why he was bleeding. Could it possibly have just knocked him unconsious. But they dont say it but they probably had the body looked at to see wheater he was dead or not. Tell me what you think?(MOODY stated in the GoF that if all the students said the Ak curse to him it would probably cause nothing more than a nose bleed because they did not mean it)

Avada Kedavra-Abra Cadabra?
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/23 04:28

Bob, I am not quite sure I follow part of your post. I understand (and follow) your thoughts on the AK curse & the intentions of the curser (is that a word?!) Snape also makes a comment to Harry that would back up your thoughts, '"No Unforgivable Curses from you, Potter!" he (Snape) shouted over the rushing of the flames, Hagrid's yells, and the wild yelping of the trapped Fang. "You haven't got the nerve or the ability--"
The part I don't follow is; 'that would explain why it threw him back & why he was bleeding.' To whom are you refering? I couldn't find that in the book.
After re-reading it, I must come to the sad conclusion that DD has indeed moved on to the next great adventure...and difficult as it is for me to believe that this great wizard went so easily. I still think it must have been part of a plan. The BIG question is: To what purpose? And why, if someone already took the (locket) Horcrux would they refill the basin with a vile poison? (and couldn't DD/Harry have removed the poison without drinking it?)


It sounds as if Snape gave as many (if not more) detentions to Crabbe/Goyle/and Draco than he did to Harry & Co. And the argument DD & Snape had..through the recollection of Hagrid... reminds me of the conversation DD & Harry had about going after the Horcrux-the promise to do whatever he was told to do-ie, making DD finish drinking the potion.

The Is-Snape-Good-or-Bad thing is driving me crazy!

DD
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/23 17:37

I think snape is still good. I was talking about DD being thrown back off the tower when he was hit with the AK curse. I read a biography on a site of DD and it was updated to HBP and im not sure if it was proven fact by JKR. But it stated that DD could do spells without a wand and could turn invisible without a cloak. 2 ways DD could have survived that night on the tower. He could have used a spell on snape or turned invisible. I think it was part of a greater plan. I do believe he is dead but what about the phoneix that harry saw at the funeral. Could DD be an animargous?????? Maybe so maybe not. Also where was fawks at this battle? He swallowed the AK curse at the battle at the ministry of magic, but he missed this one. And phoneixs have the power to appartrate like elfs on hogwarts grounds. I think that in the 7th book the phoniex at the funaral will play a part as somthing. Why was DD asleep in his portrait. Does the portrait go up when there is a new head master/mistress or when someone dies. I think its when they die. There is no talk of a portrait of Umbridge. I cant wait till 7. Its gonna rock.

Ahh.. Umbridge
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/23 18:53

I had forgotten all about the Mistress from Hell (Umbridge). The Hogwarts castle itself must have rejected her as a valid headmistress in any form-and not allowed her portrait to go up. I do believe DD is dead... but not 'gone'. I think he will somehow serve as a guide & mentor yet for Harry. It is interesting about Fawkes. I did wonder why Fawkes didn't show up at the tower sooner.

If you haven't read JKR's fan website interview you should. It's in 3 parts and can be read at Mugglenet.com or TheLeakyCauldron.com. It's rather insightful.

thanx
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/23 20:04

thanks for the link, it is a good interview.

Godrics hallow
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/23 21:21

In the interview with JKR she said no comment to the question weather someone else was present at godrics hallow. I have a question. Would anyone be any bit suprised if DD was an animargous? I wouldnt. Even if he was unlisted it just seems like a thing he would be.

Godrics hallow(sorry agian)
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/23 21:57

I think the other was RAB. Just think. He sees voldie get hit by the curse and kill his brothers best friend. He thinks LV is still alive by the horcruxes so he tries to destroy them. He says when you meet you match. Could he have ment harry since supposedly he was there. If you read the message it sounds like he only knows of one. It could be someone found out he had betrayed LV and killed him without getting LV permission because they thought he was dead. Also some of the death eaters say they were looking for him. Could he have told his most trusted DEs of the horcruxes. Does anyone know at the cemitary when he came back and he was talking about the DEs did he talk about anyone betraying them and being killed?

Godric's Hollow
By Stuart Ballard at 2005/07/23 22:06

I think the other might have been Snape, and that's how he ended up "regretting" what happened, because he saw Voldemort kill someone he had feelings for (yes, Lily).

When she said that fans would have figured out one of the Horcruxes, I assume she meant the locket, but I still think it's the hat - and I think I was the first person anywhere to advance that theory :)

Conundrums, conundrums...
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/23 23:06

I am thinking, like Stuart, that the person in Godric's hollow the night of James & Lily's death was Snape. I also think it has something to do with Lily.. I have guesses, similar to what has been said, but I am not sure. Perhaps Snape gave LV info on where to find James if he would agree to 'give' him Lily... and well, we all know how that turned out. It would also explain why Snape hates Harry so. If it hadn't been for Harry... Lily wouldn't have sacrificed herself/died at the hands of LV. Snape may be angry that LV didn't keep his promise not to harm Lily. I could see Snape 'appreciating' someone who had a gift with potion making as he himself did.

As far as RAB goes... I think RAB might not have known there was more than one Horcrux. I think the 'secret' that RAB talks about could either be knowledge of the horcrux.. OR knowledge that the 'Dark Lord' is not pure blood. I still think that little bit of info is going to play a part in LV's downfall.The pure blood death eaters aren't going to like being shown up by a dirty half-blood. Think about it, something as important as a horcrux, you would think, would have a secret keeper. Because should that horcrux be needed.. that means that the person who made it is in dire need (unless the horcrux/peice of soul) can be summoned without it actually physically being there.Let's say each horcrux had a different secret keeper. For example, the diary was a horcrux. It was kept by the Malfoy family. Lucius passed it on to the Weasleys, not knowing that it was a horcrux... only that it would open the Chamber of Secrets. Perhaps he didn't trust even his death eaters... perhaps the 'secret keepers' are house elves. Perhaps Kreacher and Doby have a big part yet to play.

Let's just say...if the diary, ring, & locket are destroyed. Voldemort himself is another 'peice'.. that leaves the Hufflepuff cup, and let's just say for the sake of argument that Nagini, the snake is one... a poor choice but perhaps the only choice he had in his weakened state. That leaves one more. Could it be the sorting hat? It could... but I hope not. That would be creepy. How would LV have had access to it? It is odd that Dumbledore did not think of the sorting hat as being a relic of Gryffindor's. I am guessing that is a small error on JKR's part. I am thinking either Harry will find this 'artifact' horcrux when he visits Godric's Hollow or get a clue.

Keep in mind, that, according to the interview...we do not know Dumbledore's background (interesting I am sure) we don't know who else was there, we don't know what the Potter's did for a living or why Lily was special.I think all of these things will come into play somehow. And is Snape an evil traitor or not!!!! ARGH!!!!!!!!!!

Yep
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/23 23:21

I read somewhere in a biography that regulis black died october 17th 1980, Like a couple of months after LV downfall. Some DEs said they were looking for him. Either they thought he wasnt dead OR knew about the horcruxes. Which would explain how Regulis could get the locket because he knew of its existence. I also think that maybe he gave each one to watch over to his most trusted DEs. The diary to malfoy, locket to regulis, and the others to other DEs. Id have to hear where DD got the ring and how he hurt his habd. Did they ever say how he did huirt his hand?

RAB
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/24 00:37

If rab=regulis black how did he drink the potion by himslef. Has anyone thought of the possiblity that kreacher went with him and drank it. I dont know what it would do to him because if you oreder him to do it he has to do it. Maybe thats why he acts so weird. Just an idea tell me what you think.

RAB
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/24 00:37

If rab=regulis black how did he drink the potion by himslef. Has anyone thought of the possiblity that kreacher went with him and drank it. I dont know what it would do to him because if you oreder him to do it he has to do it. Maybe thats why he acts so weird. Just an idea tell me what you think.

Interesting indeed
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/24 02:17

I just noticed something...
As I was looking for the tidbit in the book about DD's burnt hand & the Ring horcrux...

Dumbledore says that he found the ring in the ruin of the Gaunts' house... protected by many ppowerful enchantments. He hid it in the shack of his ancestors. (Again..symbolic significance) which leads me to think that *possibly* a horcrux could be hidden in Godric's Hollow. Now, Voldemort knows that the diary was destroyed (but as far as we know he doesn't know about the ring or the locket)... wouldn't he try to create another horcrux to replace the diary or is there just not enough of his soul left to do so? No other wizard had gone so far as Voldemort had to ensure his immortality.

But then...
Harry asks just this question .. Can Voldemort feel when one of the horcruxes is destroyed? (page 507-8) Dumbledore says.. he doesn't think so because he has been divided so long..so immersed in evil.. but get this.. he says that Voldemort forced the truth (about the diary) out of Lucius Malfoy.. and 'I am told that his anger was terrible to behold.' How would Dumbledore know about Voldemorts anger unless he had a VERY good & close spy? I doubt Lucius would be passing that info on to Dumbledore (or anyone).

Dumbledore and Snape
By Lucy at 2005/07/24 08:43

In regards to the discussion surrounding Dumbledore and whether he is really dead or not:

OF COURSE HE IS DEAD! back in book 4, Dumbledore seems to have a "triumphant" glint in his eyes upon hearing that Voldemort has broken down the barrier of protection that Harry's mother left in harry's blood.
in the end, harry must kill Voldemort, and Dumbledore know this - throughout the books, he's been guiding and preparing harry for the time when he will face Voldemort in an ultimate showdown. Therefore, dumbledore's death was crucial - harry needed to be shown the stark, cold reality of his task ahead before it was too late - thereby explaining why DD let snape kill him. Also, as harry has to kill LV, DD felt that he was ready to die - explaining why he gave harry those lessons on LV's past and horcruxes.

in regards to snape - he is most definitely without a doubt on the "good side". although he seemed evil at the end of book six, there were MANY hints throughout that he isn't.
firstly, he had to make the unbreakable vow to keep up his appearances with the dark side - and when narcissa asked him to complete draco's task if draco couldn't kill DD, Snape jerked - he wasn't prepared for it, but he went thru with it so that bellatrix and narcissa (and the rest of the dark side?) believed he was really on their side.
so - obviously he told DD about the vow, and wen Hagrid overheard DD and Snape talking, Snape wanted to back out of killing DD (bcos draco was obviously never going to do it) but DD said he had to.
and as for Snape's look of "hatred" right before he killed DD - that was absolute hatred at himself for having to do such a terrible thing.

as for the horcruxes, Harry need to find and destroy the locket(whihc was at Sirius' house in the beginning of book 5), Nagini, the cup, something we don't quite know (two theories have been harrys scar ?!?!?!? and the sorting hat) and voldemort himself.

oh - and the snape/lily theory:
there may have been something going on:
i think that snape did ask LV to spare Lily, which he didn't and that is why Snape changed over to the good side. i think he had a crush on Lily (they obviously both had a passion for potions) in school, and was hoping to crack on to her after LV had killed harry and harry's father
a bit random, but more believable than some of the stuff i've been reading... (not meaning ppl commenting here)

In regards to horcruxes
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/24 11:28

I do belive thqat dumbldore is dead. i have a question did Dumbldore just find out about the horcruxes this book and thats why he was leaving or has he always known? Also there is no way harry can find all the horcruxes alone. If you look at what happened in the cave harry was in like coplete amazment that DD found the stuff he did find. I think that DD will help harry through his portrait or in some other form. Also cant wait to if DD's portrait to wake up for one hell of an internse conversation between harry and dd. That conversation will reveal lots. Snape good or bad. Other horcruxes. Why dd died. What was the potion. What was the phoneix at the funeral, and so on.

Also
By bob at 2005/07/24 11:34

I think that LV rarely works alone(i could be 100% wrong about this) I think when he does his big killings he always makes a couple of DEs tag along. Why? I dont know maybe support or if an imense battle breaks out. He always wants to be immortal right? So he would bring a couple for his like own protection incase somthing really strange happen and he met his match or was injured. My thoughts on who was there are Regulis Black and Snape, there are very convincing theorys why is could be each

Horcruxes
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/24 18:11

I think Dumbledore suspected a Horcrux after Harry told him what happened with the diary in Chamber of Secrets. Dumbledore said he had never seen one, but that, from Harry's description.. that is what he suspected. After that... Dumbledore began collecting memories and information trying to find out exactly what Voldemort meant when he said (in Goblet of Fire) that he had 'gone further than any other wizard' to ensure his survival. So Dumbledore suspected more. He also wanted to know where Voldemort learned about Horcruxes.. and seeing as how the Horcrux/diary was made while Voldemort was still Tom Riddle (16ish) Dumbledore correctly assumed he learned a bit about them at Hogwarts--possibly from one of his teachers. So Dumbledore probably went on a fact finding mission at that point to discover what he could. That's where Slughorn and the memories come in.

Lily. There is something very special about her.. or at least a good part of the mystery hinges on her. That is why we have so little information about her. But her green eyes are mentioned over & over. Now, Snape did call Lily Evans a 'Mudblood'--with disgust. But then, from the few moments we see of James & Lily in the pensive it doesn't look like they'd get together either. It also could have something to do with whatever James & Lily's occupations are. I think it is very telling that JKR has never said what it is that they did for a living/for the Order of the Phoenix.

Bob... you are right Voldemort may often have others around, but not as accomplices or...for example, as the Order of the Phoenix would be a cohesive group or support, but as servants and probably incidentals that are replaceable.

Does anyone think it odd that Dumbledore did not want Harry to say anything to anyone...even Mrs McGonagal? Do you think that is for her/their own protection?

How Voldemort had access to the Hat
By Stuart Ballard at 2005/07/24 21:09

See my previous post for full comments on the hat/horcrux theory, but as for how he had access, that's easy - he went to see Dumbledore to ask for a teaching job. And he knew Dumbledore wouldn't actually give him that job - Dumbledore points that out and asks him the real reason he's there, and Voldemort doesn't answer. Well, it'd be a bit of a giveaway to say "I'm really here to turn that hat into a horcrux", wouldn't it :)

Sorting Hat
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/24 21:27

Stuart, I was under the impression that a death had to take place/a sacrifice be made at the time an item was made into a horcrux. We don't really know for sure, but I would assume something as important as that would require some type of rite or incantation. Also, Dumbledore said that magic always leaves traces..I would think that something in his office, that had been there for years, would have left some trace or clue-especially the hat, as it seems to be somewhat sentient.

Sorting hat
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/24 22:14

Isnt it possible since theh at already had its own magic that he did not notice the horcruxes. It does seem kinda weird that all these years the hat has been all nice and even telling them advice. Then agian i have no idea. It does seem like it is the horcruxe because JKR said if you read carfully enough you would be able to figure it out. I dont think DD wanted anyone to know because he knew it was harry's journey. He knew it had to be done by him, but then agian how is he going to do it. He has no idea how to spot traces of magic or how to get around protection curses. I think either snape will help harry or DD will help him through the portrait but then he'd have to be at Hogwarts and not out there getting the horcruxes so i dont know how he will do it.

sorting hat
By chamaico at 2005/07/25 01:06

mmm....interesting...well...i don't really think LV could have used the sorted hat as a horcrux...cause it needed a death to happen

Unbreakable Promise
By Analog-X (Email) at 2005/07/25 05:48

Here are a couple of my theories.

1. Someone was a witness to the murders of James and Lily, could that possibly be Snape?

2. Did DD have so much trust in Snape because he had an Unbreakable Promise with Snape to protect Harry? Just like Snape with Draco's Mother?

Snape at Godric Hollow
By MaryH at 2005/07/25 10:00

Here's an idea. Somehow, I don't see LV bringing someone with him when he killed the Potters, but I do think others, at least Snape, knew where he was going and what he was going to do.

I do think Snape had something to do with Lily being spared, but I can't see him convincing LV to spare her. Could he have given her some kind of potion that would keep LV from wanting to kill her (all I can think of is something that give her the effect of a Veela, but that seems too crude). He would give it to her and tell her to use it if she has to face LV.

Then he shows up after the murders and finds Lily dead too. Maybe he finds out what happened thru 1-yr-old Harry's memory?

Then I see DD showing up on the scene and finding Snape with Lily, and the Snape conversion happening.

I could also see LILY getting an unbreakable vow from Snape to protect Harry. He'd still hate Harry for being the reason for Lily's death, but he'd have to protect him. Which would also make it virtually impossible to really stay with LV after he chose Harry as the subject of the prophecy.

JKR interview
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/25 10:54

MaryH, We don't know if Voldemort brought someone with him when he murdered James and Lily Potter, but in an interview (you can read it, it is posted on Mugglenet.com or TheLeakyCauldron.com) that someone else was there the night of the Potter's death. I suppose it could've been Peter Pettigrew... or Snape. Who knows.

I am really getting curious as to what the last horcrux is. She said that some of us should be able to figure it out. Hmm

Someone was there
By MaryH at 2005/07/25 10:59

Yes, but I don't think she specifically said someone was there with LV when he killed them. Didn't she leave open the possibility that someone could have gotten there at some other time that night?

Horcruxes & others
By hermes at 2005/07/25 11:49

I think the unknown horcrux is Harry himself. For very long, I have been bugged by the many similarities between Harry and LV (Parseltongue, choice of wands and even the Hat wanted to put Harry in Slytherin at first. I think they even resemble each other - lanky and dark-haired.) At first, I thought they might be related by blood.

But after reading the HBP, my new theory is that Voldemort made Harry his horcrux. Which would explain why he wanted to kill Dumbledore and not Harry in the HBP.

I also believe that Snape is on Dumbledore's side. And one reason for Dumbledore's absolute trust in him would be that he had pledged his allegiance in the form of an Unbreakable Promise. I'm keeping my mind open as to whether Dumbledore truly died. But I'm not sure if Voldemort truly trusts Snape or is stringing him along.

As for some of the confusion regarding the scene of Dumbledore's death when he told Draco that it was 'his mercy', not Draco's. 2 possible theories: firstly, he allowed Snape to kill or carry out the act of his murder to save Draco; secondly, in not letting Draco perform the act, he is saving Draco's humanity.

What if.............. (R.A.B.)
By Anonymous (Email) at 2005/07/25 13:12

Wat if R.A.B. stood for _____ and _____. That would change everything and in the Half-B.P. in the letter it says that Lord V would already be back alive before he finds out what happens which means that R.A.B. would've destroyed the Horcrux and died somewhere in between the years of 1980 and June 1995. This is because R.A.B. would know that LV was reduced to nothing by Harry and that he would already be dead by the time LV comes back. There is also another clue in the letter stating that R.A.B. WOULD be long dead before LV comes back meaning that he died and possibly destroyed the Horcrux before 1990 and Harry being 11 and going to Hogwarts. This should be considered alot if we are to find out who R.A.B. is.

ANONYMOUS (srry cnnot give away my identity)

Hat, Horcrux and R.A.B
By Stuart Ballard at 2005/07/25 13:31

In JKR's interview she pretty much confirms R.A.B. as Regulus Black. I'd thought of the "And" possibility ("Rubeus [Hagrid] and ?", "Rufus [Scrimgeour] and ?") and I also considered "R. Amelia Bones" (although apparently in _Phoenix_ her full name is listed as Amelia Susan Bones which rules that one out), but I gave up on that when I saw Jo's comment about Regulus in the interview - it's definitely him.

The horcrux she thinks people ought to be able to figure out seems to be the locket that is (or was, until Mundungus came along) in Grimmauld Place.

As far as how Voldemort managed to kill someone in Dumbledore's office right in front of his face - Voldemort's hand definitely flicked to his wand while he was in there. What if he'd transfigured someone into a slug or something (like Malfoy the Amazing Bouncing Ferret) and was carrying them in his pocket to kill at the right moment?

I like the idea that the hat's existing magic is the reason Dumbledore didn't spot the horcruxness.

I'm also a little freaked out by the possibility that every Hogwarts student in years has put a bit of Lord Voldemort on their head. Remember, the diary horcrux was able to feed off Ginny's emotions and soul... what could the souls of hundreds of first-year students do?

At godrics hallow
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/25 13:51

I think it was either peter petegrew, snape, or rab. It could be possible it was like DD or someone with the potters who wasnt killed.

What Voldemort did in DD's office
By Tom Harper at 2005/07/25 15:30

I am not sure that Voldemort actually delivered his horcrux during his visit. What DD said at that moment is that no one lasted longer than a year as professor of the dark arts as hogwarts after that visit. I think (and as several hogwarts students noted) that the position is cursed.

The Regulus Black theory makes the most sense of anything posted so far. The locket found during the cleaning was clearly significant.

What if.............. (R.A.B.) Reply
By Anonymous at 2005/07/25 17:48

It actually might not be Regulus Black as everyone is talking about because in ORDER O.P. Sirius tells Harry that Regulus was killed (or at least supposedly) by Voldemort himself but the R.A.B. knew that LV's real body was already killed unless Regulus escaped before he got killed and LV thought he was dead. Only thing about that is LV is a strong wizard and would have known if Regulus survived or not. Unless it just LV just weakened him explaining the fact that he says that he is facing death but that means he couldn't take the potion that DD drank in HBP which means he couldn't take the locket. And even if he had gotten the locket, he wouldn't be able to destroy it with the amount of strength he would have left. Also, Regulus couldn't have went back to the house or the black family would have told LV so LV can finish him off.

Ya
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/25 18:01

I have thought of how Regulas had drinken the potion. What if he had kreacher drink it. Thats why he is such a lunitic.

Regulus and Potion
By Tom Harper (Email) at 2005/07/25 20:52

Well it is entirely possible regulus didn't have to drink the potion because he was a death eater and had the mark. Someone (i think above) suggested that the barrier could prevent some people (i.e. non-death eaters) from accessing the amulet and not others-

Of course there is absolutely no evidence for this... the having to drink the potion thing wasn't well explained in terms of why it was the only way to proceed.

More of my Theories :)
By Analog-X (Email) at 2005/07/25 22:45

1. Lily being such a popular girl wouldnt there be the possiblity that at some point she was friends with Tom Riddle being handsome and such? And possibly reason LV game her a chance to live?

2. In HBP Harry uses the Potions book with all the good tips inside, which we learn later who the HBP was, but the teacher kept complimenting how the skills in Potion matched Lilys.

Was Lily Snapes Partner in Ptions? Did she help him you think? Did Lily maybe out of pitty help snape?

No
By bob (Email) at 2005/07/25 22:59

I dont think Lilly and Tom Riddle did not go to hogwarts at the smae years.

R.A.B., et al
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/25 23:06

I think RAB is one person. In the letter it mentions 'I' not 'we'. I definitely think it is Regulus Black .. His Uncle (Alphard-notice the 'A') gave Regulus a lot of gold because he was his favorite nephew. I also wondered about the potion... it could be house elves.. or something else that a death eater would have known how to deal with.. or perhaps in an animagi form? Regulus was killed in 1980.

I am very curious about the unknown Horcrux and I am currently combing through the books for clues. I have several thoughts but I am convinced of nothing at this point.

One other interesting point I have been pondering as I have been trawling through the books... where did the young Tom Riddle first hear of Horcruxes? Slughorn said he would be hard pressed to find one at Hogwarts that mentioned them.I have a thought-I am not sure how it fits into the scheme of things but I'll put it out there and see what you think. Tom Riddle probably created his first horcrux by the time he was in his 5th or 6th year at Hogwarts-he already had the Gaunt/Slytherin family ring by the year 1944..the year in which he was head boy. We know he commited deaths in order to obtain the ring (and made it into a horcrux later?) Also the diary was made into a horcrux. Did that happen while he was yet in school or later? Either way... Tom Riddle/Voldemort was trying to find out all he could about horcruxes & how to go about them before he left Hogwarts. How did he obtain the information on how to do this? We know that he knew about them.. got a little more information from Slughorn.. but how did he learn how to do it? I wonder... Dumbledore defeated the Dark Wizard Grundlewald in 1945. The year young Tom Riddle left Hogwarts...presumably already having learned how to make horcruxes. I wonder if there is any connection?

P.S. on dates
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/25 23:14

Voldemort finished at Hogwarts in 1945. Lily and James and the crowd were at Hogwarts in the years 1971-1978. Snape was there the same years as James & Lily.

Also.. the sorting hat has some curious attributes that make it suspicious.. but it seems to WARN the school in times of trouble and has done so in the past. That doesn't seem like it would make a good horcrux. Also, in the interview Voldemort had with Dumbledore about the teaching position-I had to read it a few times-but I don't think Voldemort actually touched his wand.. it just seemed like he was about ready to reach for it.

Yes
By bob at 2005/07/25 23:49

I dont think LV actully touched his wand either, but he could have the power to do spells without his wand(just like DD which brings up the idea why the hell didnt he save himself) I do think the last hrocruxe is the sorting hat but wouldnt be suprised if JKR made everyone think that but it is somthing no one really noticed at hogwarts like something in the room of requirment or somthing.

Sorting Hat
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/26 02:34

Well, I REALLY hope the mystery horcrux is NOT the sorting hat because that would just be too...icky. I mean... sitting right in Dumbledore's office all this time... having perched on every student in the Schools head... actually brought to Harry by Fawkes in CoS in which he pulled out Gryffindor's sword. The same hat that told Harry it is what we chose... the same hat that warns the students for unity in troubled times.

But on the other hand..

"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where it keeps its brain."
-- Arthur Weasley (CS18)

That was originally said about Voldemort's diary but it could apply to the sorting hat. That's pretty creepy too. I wonder if when JKR had Dumbledore say that the only relic left of Gryffindor's -the sword-was safe in his office, that she (and Dumbledore) forgot about the sorting hat being from Gryffindor and it wasn't a purposeful oversite that is key to the plot!

R.A.B. (Regulus): How could he escape LV?
By Anonymous at 2005/07/26 08:12

All of you are probably right about the potion but you missed one important thing here: "No, he was murdered by LV or on Voldemort's orders..." (O.O.P. Pg.104) If Regulus was killed by LV he wouldn't be able to make it to the cave cuz he would already be dead. If he was killed on LV's orders and went to the cave, LV would know that he was there because of the Dark Mark. But he could've gotten someone else to kill him and was able to escape while the DE who tried to kill him thought that he actually finished Regulus off but then again LV would still know if he's alive. Also if got killed Voldemort himself but he escaped LV again would know. So it still might not be Regulus.

Anonymous

Regulus Black
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/26 14:14

JKR said she wouldn't be introducing any new characters in the 7th book (unless they are incidental small characters...but nothing central to the plot). Regulus was killed on orders from Voldemort (not by him)in 1980, the year of the Prophecy and the year Harry was born, if statements of Sirius are correct in OP6.

I still think Regulus makes sense for several reasons. The person who wrote the note was most likely a death eater (few others called Voldemort 'The Dark Lord'). The note uses the term 'I' and not 'We'. We know that Regulus was a death eater but got cold feet and wanted to back out when asked to do some (probably terribly horrible) deeds. This person found out a 'secret' about Voldemort.. either about the Horcrux, that Voldemort was a half-blood, or both, and set out to get retribution on Voldemort knowing that he was already marked for death by Voldemort. Regulus probably felt he had nothing more to lose after having tried to back out of the Death Eaters. Like Sirius said, 'It's a lifetime service or death.'

One more thing, in JKR's interview it almost just as good says it's Regulus.Here is a clip of that part of the interview:
MA: R.A.B.

JKR: Ohhh, good.

[All laugh.]

JKR: No, I'm glad! Yes?

MA: Can we figure out who he is, from what we know so far?

[Note: JKR has adopted slightly evil look here]

JKR: Do you have a theory?

MA: We've come up with Regulus Black.

JKR: Have you now?

MA: Uh-oh.

[Laughter.]

JKR: Well, I think that would be, um, a fine guess.

As to how he drank the potion... well perhaps he knew something Dumbledore didn't .. or perhaps he put that potion in there so that whomever came after him in search of the horcrux (obstensibly for Voldemort) would never return to Voldemort with the Horcrux. That brings me to another question. Does Voldemort physically need the Horcrux in order to make use of it or can they just stay where they are forever?

horcrux's
By Analog-X (Email) at 2005/07/26 23:13

In OP6 there is a mention of an enchanted box that nobody could get into would that be one of the horcrux's? and as well could Harry Potter have a horcrux's inside him? Since he inherited some of the powers from LV?

The (hor)Crux of the matter..
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/27 01:27

The more I think about it, the more I think the final Horcrux is not Harry...but Harry's scar. I don't think Voldemort did this on purpose... I think he killed James (the required death to make a horcrux) and then in the process of trying to kill Harry some unusual things happened. Obviously unexpected things. Why do I think it is the scar? Several reasons, one of being JKR had said in an interview (when asked if the shape of Harry's scar was significant) she said that the shape was [i]not[/i] the most significant thing about Harry's scar. Secondly... how his scar hurts when Voldemort is angry or feeling deep emotion. I wonder, however, if Harry's scar IS a horcrux, does Voldemort know it? If he does, how does he think he can destroy Harry without destroying part of himself (or will Voldemort feel more comfortable destroying Harry believeing he has other horcruxes out there? Also, each horcrux made does not make Voldemort weaker or less powerful of a wizard.. it only makes him less human.. less able to feel or have emotion.
I think Voldemort would have been very drawn to the idea of having 7 ('THE' magic number) of horcruxes. That is just the way warped minds think. He would not be thinking with his heart... he would be thinking from a very primal viewpoint that if he does things 'perfectly' it will be perfect. Part of that perfection is the number 7. That said, If Voldemort knows of the destruction of a horcrux, (such as the diary) will he attempt to create another? Has he been able to do so? I would think that each time you split something... each resulting piece would be smaller. For example, he did not create each horcrux at the same moment in time, so the first horcrux would be half of his soul (and possibly why it did so much damage to Dumbledore when he destroyed it) each subsequent time Voldemort would divide his soul, each piece would be correspondingly smaller... not a full half.. but the second horcrux would only be 1/4.. the third one would only be 1/8, the fourth 1/16, the fifth 1/32 and the sixth would only be 1/64th of his original soul.

Harry's scar as a horcrux; soul parts (fractions.. i hate math!!)
By Anonymous at 2005/07/27 14:45

That isn't really a bad idea about Harry's scar being the last horcrux because remember Voldemort is always trying to kill Harry. That is (if he was a horcrux) so he can be hidden from everyone else but while Harry is out there in Hogwarts and in the wizarding world the scar would be visible to everyone and if Voldemort came out of Harry's scar just as he did with the diary, his cover would be blown especially with Voldemort around. Also about Harry's scar, since he could feel Voldemort's emotion that would mean he held part of LV's emotion with him making him a horcrux. Also, remember in O.O.P. where Harry was transformed into a snake, went to the Ministry Of Magic and bit Arthur Weasly. Well that could've been LV again controling Harry to attack his best friend's dad. And again in O.O.P., remember when DD looked into Harry's eyes and saw a snake. DD was afraid that this could actually happen but probably the snake in Harry's eyes meant that a part of LV's soul was in Harry. This is very intriguing.


With the "fractions" of the souls... Geez I really hate math well I think the part's of the souls would not change the amount since LV would want each and every part of his soul the same strentgh and the same amount of "EEEEEEEEEVILLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!" You get what I mean. Let's say LV wanted to destroy Harry and Harry actually wasn't the last horcrux. Each and every horcrux would want to have the same amount of power when their turn comes to try and destroy Harry. That means each horcrux would be 1/7 of LV's soul. 1/7 x 7 would equal 1 whole soul... to be exact 1 whole evil Voldemort soul.

Interesting...Hmm...
By Jonny at 2005/07/27 16:25

OK. Firstly, DUMBLEDORE'S DEAD!! It's put very clearly. Someone said something about why he was bleeding. The book states that he was repelled backwards and out of sight. He hit the ground and that would have made him spit up blood. To be honest, I assumed that Voldie (love that abbreviation) had just, quite simply, ripped his soul apart and stuck it in a pile of objects. I'm taking it he didn't do it all at once. I don't think that that sort of dark magic would care if all the pieces were divided logically (1/2, 1/4, 1/8, etc. or 1/7s each time). Anyway, I have a little request. I've read all the books and everything but I can't remember what Godric's Hollow and Nagini the Snake are. It's just been so long since I read the first five and have forgotton. Also, at the end of H.B.P., Harry mentions going to see his parent's graves. Are these in Godric's Hollow? Thanks.

I Hate Math
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/27 18:22

I do NOT think Harry is a horcrux. I think his scar MAY BE one. And if it is, I think it was UNINTENTIONALLY made into one the night he tried to kill Harry. Not only that, but since the AK curse rebounded on him and he should have died but did not.. I would guess to say that he used up one of the parts of his soul, no matter what size the peices are. It did say that Voldemort was treading in uncharted territory...no other wizard had done more than split his soul in two.

I agree with you on one thing.. I hate math too! But, that said, I cannot help but wonder if the wizard can 'chose' how much of his soul goes into anything when he creates a horcrux. It was only said that to create a horcrux the wizard will split his soul in two. It only goes to reason, that when he creates the next horcrux, and he splits his soul in two, that there would be less soul to split. (and so on with each time he tried to split it).

The reason I think the horcrux may be his scar and NOT Harry himself is because he is not controlling Harry... like he did with Ginny... But Harry can sometimes sense his moods, or when in a relaxed state, he can perhaps see through the eyes of another part of his soul (Nagini?)

So, to sum it up.. Voldemort has had at least 3 parts of his soul destroyed so far. The Diary, the Ring, What part was remaining in him when he tried to kill Harry...and possibly a fourth part..the locket. That would mean, lets just say, that when Voldemort lost that part of his soul within him.. he used the part that was, let's say, in the Hufflepuff cup.That would only leave Harry's scar (if it is one) and Nagini... and possibly the locket that still has parts of his soul left in them.

One other interesting note from 'Chamber of Secrets', Dumbledore says, 'I will only truly left this school when none here are loyal to me.. Help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who ask for it.'

Jonny
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/27 18:32

Godric's Hollow is where Harry was living with his Parents, Lily & James, when Voldemort found them and killed them. Godric's Hollow is a muggle village, but it is also named for Godric Gryffindor. We don't however know what the connection is at this point.

Nagini is a snake. Probably the only thing that Voldemort has any affection for. He keeps it close by. It seems to be more than a pet and Harry seems to have some connection to it (hence, my suspicions that both Nagini & possibly Harry's scar might both be horcruxes). At least twice Harry has 'seen' things that have actually happened through the eyes of Nagini the snake. The death of the old Muggle man in the old Riddle house and the attack on Mr. Weasley at the Ministry of Magic.
Jonny, there is a great website that might help with some of your questions, The Harry Potter Lexicon:
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/index-2.html

Why?
By bob at 2005/07/27 18:39

Why did DD get thrown backwards. I do belive that DD is dead but this is the most puzziling peice of the puzzle for me. When you are hit wit the AK curse you just die, you dont move. It happened with hte riddles and with the fox at the beggining of the book. I think that it is never more obvious that snape is good and is in the best position with Voldie. No one would ever question his judgement agian to the dark lord. Also R.A.B is regulus black. How he drank the potion? Either he knew somthing DD did not know or he had Kreacher drink it.

loyalty to dumbledore
By Tom Harper at 2005/07/27 23:06

Interesting point made by RoseMorninStar about loyalty to DD, as Harry goes out of his way at the end of the hbp to say he was still loyal to DD. I think there is something to that as the wording of that statement seemed somewhat forced at that point, that he wouldn't accept the help of any of the aurors.

Re: the potion, it is unclear how the potion would refill itself once someone drank it. What the potion was and the magic surrounding it I think can only be explained by jkr.

Just wondering...
By Lucy at 2005/07/28 06:55

ummmmm... when LV lost a part of his soul when he tried to kill Harry (and the avada kedavra curse rebounded) what happened to his body??? was it still there? just randomly interested

Horcruxes
By Turin Turambar at 2005/07/28 11:35

What About Moaning Myrtle or the basilisk being a horcrux?But then it was the snake and not Tom Riddle who killed her...In what age did Tom ask about horcruxes?In His Fith year Maybe?If R.A.B is Regulus Black, then "A." represents His Father's name.What's his name then?

A
By bob at 2005/07/28 11:57

I think the A in R.A.B is to represent his uncle Alphrad.

Thanks
By Jonny (Email) at 2005/07/28 16:19

Thanks a lot RoseMorninStar for helping me out there. The site is great. I don't know why Dumbledore was thrown backwards, it just happened but it hardly has any significance in the story. I know it's a little early but any news or possible release date on number 7?

Soul parts left
By Jh at 2005/07/28 17:44

To the person a few lines above that said 3 parts of the soul are destroyed, giving the part that resides inside LV's body as one of them, I think DD rules that out.. he says Harry's gotta make sure the other 6 horcruxes are destroyed before going for the one that remains with LV's physical body..therefore it couldn't have been destroyed when the AK cures rebounded?

Also, anyone able to make a sufficient link here... I noticed that Regulus Black was 'killed'20 years ago, and Mundungus was banned from the Hogs Head 20 years ago. Could be a coincidence, but anyone got any ideas?

More Theories and Thoughts.,
By Analog-X (Email) at 2005/07/28 21:16

Did Regulus Black get killed by drinking the same liquid that DD did to get that horcrux? If not than its possible Kreacher drank the stuff and thats why he's kind of mad?

Now when Dumbeldore kept requesting to have Snape come at the end, that could mean it was part of the plan and he needed for Snape to kill him and not cure him.

Conundrums, conundrums
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/28 21:53

JKR has said that she has done some work on the 7th book. In fact, before Sorcerer's Stone ever went to print, she had written the final chapter of book 7 and the plot outlines of the other 6 books. However, about 6 months ago she had a baby and is mostly taking this year off. She will probably seriously begin writting book 7 in January or February. I would imagine it will take her a year to a year and a half to write, then the editors get a hold of it, then rewriting.. then it has to go to print. I'd say 2 years at the earliest. You can keep informed by going to jkrowling.com

Jh.. regarding horcruxes. The reason Voldemort made horcruxes in the first place is so that should someone attempt to kill him, they might be able to do away with the body he was using (and the part of the soul that was in the body)...but since he had bits of his soul stored in the various horcruxes, should anyone 'kill' him one of the horcruxes would 'kick-in'. Sort of like back-up batteries!! :P
I would think that it doesn't mean that any part of his soul, whether in a horcrux, or within himself, cannot be destroyed... it just means that he will not be totally vanquished until the last one is gone. For example, if someone could stand there and kill him 7 times in a row... I would think that all of the horcruxes would get used up. But to be on the safe side, it would be better to have an advantage and destroy as many horcruxes as possible before facing off with Voldemort to increase his chances for vanquishing the Dark Lord once and for all. At least, that is the way I would think it would work.

As far as Regulus Black and Mundungus goes.. that is interesting. I would think the '20 years ago' could be coincidental because that is when Voldemorts last reign of terror was. For more info on Mundungus go to:
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/mundungus.html

The potion in the basin that the locket was in.. that is a real puzzle. Is it the same potion that was originally in the basin? Did RAB put that potion in there so that whomever came to retrieve the locket would perhaps not find him before he destroyed it? Did he drink it as an animagus? Did he have a house elf drink it? Did he use some magic so he wouldn't have to drink it at all? So many questions...so little answers. (*sigh)

Harry as a horcrux
By Csin at 2005/07/29 10:16

I have a few reasons to believe why Harry would be the last horcrux. DD already told Harry that’s he is connected to LV through the scar, that when LV died a part of him went into Harry hint hint. DD also stated that LV wanted to save his last horcrux for a very special kill. We also now that LV wanted his last Horcrux to have something relating to Gryffindor and LV must have known that James Potter was from the House Gryffindor therefore Harry must be of Gryffindor as well. Also we know that LV fears Harry as the one who will undo him. So my theory is LV saw Harry as the perfect Horcrux a. Harry was bond to be in house Gryffindor like his father b. Harry has importance to LV because of the prophecy c. LV just made a significant kill d. who would suspect Harry as a horcrux. For all reasoning LV sees that if Harry lives as a horcrux then he lives as well, but if Harry is killed then what harm comes to LV, other them him losing a horcrux, a small price to pay when you have 6 other. I say that before LV attempted to kill Harry for the first time, he completed his last horcrux to be Harry as a safe guard just in case something goes wrong because if Harry lives so does LV but if Harry dies nothing happens to LV just the kind of evil thing LV would think of. We also know that LV doesn't want any of the DE to kill Harry because of what Snape shouted in the recent battle. This possible because LV wants to kill Harry himself because he is a horcrux and some how he wants to save the last bit of his soul to make another horcrux???. I also believe in order for Harry to defeat LV he himself must die therefore ending the story. As you can see from the way the books develops, Harry really does not have much to live for other then defeating LV. He doesn't really doesn't have any family, he just lost DD and the road he now must take is leading him away from the only other person he loves (Ginny) . Of course I can be totally wrong and the Horcrux and be the hat lol.

Harry's blood
By Stuart Ballard at 2005/07/29 13:23

I still think it's a hat, but there are intriguing aspects to your theory, Csin. For example, we know there's something extremely important about Harry's blood that Voldemort used in his "rebirth".

Perhaps the point of that whole process was that by using Harry's blood, Voldemort actually absorbed that horcrux back into his own body, so there's one less horcrux to be destroyed.

Orphans-A waste of life?!
By RoseMorninStar (Email) at 2005/07/30 01:03

Csin, I agree with parts of your theory but...for one... Harry has nothing to live for because he has no family!!! (I am HOPING you didn't mean that the way it sounds!) There are lots of people with little or no family that I think would disagree with you on that. Secondly, although Voldemort could have seen Harry as a 'trophy' of Gryffindor, it would be on account of James & Lily.. not on the assumption that Harry may one day be in Gryffindor house-it doesn't always follow the parents house. Also, Voldemort had planned to KILL Harry that night...not turn him into a horcrux. Things did not go as he planned that night-they went (from Voldemort's point of view) horribly awry.
As Dumbledore pointed out.. it would be unwise to commit a piece of one's soul to something that could think and act for its self (which by the way, the sorting hat also seems to be able to do). I also think that line of thinking MAY have been canceled out when Ginny asks Harry if he is being controlled by Voldemort.. if there were lapses in time where he could not remember what he was doing, etc.. If Harry were the Horcrux, it would be as if he were 'occupied' by Voldemort, as the diary was. But if it is just his scar that is a possiblity because, as you have said, it has been pointed out that there is some connection between the two adversaries.
My guess as to what will happen is that Voldemort will attempt to kill Harry with the Avada Kedavra curse... which he thinks will work this time because he now has Harry's blood in his veins, but *I* think Dumbldore sacrificed himself for Harry's sake so that Harry would continue to have special power/protection 'that the Dark Lord knows not' and that the curse will rebound and hit Voldemort. Voldemort will think that he still has several horcruxes nicely hidden away but I think that all of the horcruxes but one will be destroyed at that point, and when that rebounded curse hits Voldemort it will kill him and Harry's scar will disappear.

As for the sorting hat, that is still a very curious part of the story...and although I suppose it could be the Gryffindor horcrux, I hope not..that just seems so icky!! Of course, a ancient, dirty, talking hat that can see inside your head is already plenty icky. I still wonder when JKR had Dumbldore say that the last relic of Gryffindor was the sword if she forgot about the hat or if she purposefully had Dumbledore'forget' about the hat. A cryptic comment from JKR about the sorting hat in an interview:
"The character you might be most surprised to see evolve is none other than the Sorting Hat. 'There is more to the Sorting Hat than what you have read about in the first three books,' Rowling says. 'Readers will find out what the Sorting Hat becomes as they get into future books.'"
So perhaps we should pay extra special attention to what the sorting hat has had to say.

More Theories and Thoughts.,
By Analog-X (Email) at 2005/07/30 22:06

Ok if Harry Indeed has the Horcrux in him, than it might explain why the hat wanted to put him in Slytherin, because the hat could snese the Horcrux in Harry.

Also why did LV Kill Harrys father than go after Harry right away? Could it be that he didnt want to kill harry in the first place? But killed harry's father so he could put the Horcrux inside Harry but Lilly didnt want that to happen so she blocked him and died doing it.

Voldemorts Victims
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/07/30 23:53

Good point about the sorting hat.

James and Lily had 'thrice defied' Voldemort and were in the Order of the Phoenix..a group that was trying to defeat him, so, I would think Voldemort had no problems with killing James-just to get him out of the way.And Harry was, well, a threat according to the prophecy...but a threat of Voldemorts own making.

Harry's "protection"
By Hamlet at 2005/07/31 17:29

Presuming that Snape and Lily were an item, and that Snape was also a servant of Voldemorte:

Is it possible that Voldemorte made an Unbreakable Vow to Snape that he would not kill Lily?

This would explain Harry's "protection". It would also explain why Dumbledore trusted Snape (ie Snape hates Voldemorte because he broke his vow and killed Snape's love, Lily).

Harry's "protection"
By Hamlet at 2005/07/31 17:32

Never mind, that "Unbreakable Vow" wouldn't work. However, it's possible that some kind of vow was made and broken between Voldemorte and Snape.

Snape
By bob at 2005/07/31 22:16

In Order of the phoneix when harry told snape about siruis in secrete this truly shows his good. Why would snape if he was indeed bad tell the order. Harry told him in secret code. HE could have just said he did not understand and not toell the order. I mean he told the order they stopped them from getting the prophecy. Unless he had a grudge with Malfoy and wanted to get him shown up this is more proof hes good.

Snape
By Jh at 2005/08/01 17:40

I'm pretty confident Snape and Dumbledore had arranged that Snape would have to go to any lengths to keep Voldermort's trust.. even if that included killing him..
Mainly because of when Malfoy says to DD that 'you are at my mercy, wanldless and defenseless', to which he replied 'no Draco, the mercy is all mine now', followed by the huge change in attitude to the situation that DD has when Snape runs up to the tower. He stops joking and annoying the death eaters, instead pleading with Snape for something, although it's never specified what he's pleading for.. it's implied it's for his life, I think it's for his death.

harry a horcrux
By someguy at 2005/08/01 20:46

harry cant be a horcrux cuz then why would voldemort wanna kill him so much..... ive thought about the scar deal, and it COULD be possible because it was an accident and he had just killed 2 people..well maybe the scar is whatever....we will find out in the next book !!!

Godric
By Jh at 2005/08/02 17:40

Totally unrelated to the subject, but you people seem pretty laden with information about the books..
The fact that the place where his parents died is called 'Godric's Hollow' and that Gryffindor's first name was 'Godric' is obviously not a coincidence.. does anyone have a reason for it? Or is it one of those things we can't decipher yet

Godric's Hollow
By Stuart Ballard at 2005/08/03 13:39

I don't think there's anything particularly deep and significant about that relationship. Godric Gryffindor is known to be one of the "four greatest witches and wizards of the age" - about 1000 years ago. Any place with a close relation to a "celebrity" like that has a decent chance of deciding to change its name to memorialize that connection.

Godric's Hollow could be his birthplace, the place he was buried, a place he lived for a long time during his life, or even a village founded by him during his life, or a village that sprang up around his mansion, or pretty much anything.

I'm sure we'll find out more about the connection in Book 7, but I don't expect it to be anything beyond face value. As always with JKR, though, you never know :)

Harry's Blood
By KM at 2005/08/06 00:40

I think there's something special about Harry's blood that is related to the powers that he has- remember in the cave when Harry offers to cut himself to open the entrance, DD says "You are very kind Harry, but your blood is worth more than mine"??

Godric's Hollow/Gryffindor
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/08/07 15:54

There is some connection of significance to Godric's Hollow and Godric Gryffindor.. in an interview JKR said this:

Interviewer: The significance of the place where Harry and his parents lived - the first name...
JKR: Godric Gryffindor. Very good, you're a bit good you are aren't you. I'm impressed.

She has also implied (but not said) that this is significant. She also said that Harry's family background is not that remarkable..but we should be wondering about Dumbledore's background.

Snape
By cassi (Email) at 2005/08/08 03:59

no no no no...i think that when snape and dumbledore were arguing, snape was saying that he didn't want to have to protect malfoy anymore - but dumbledore told him that he had to do it, because he had given his word.

Snape's agreement
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/08/08 12:17

cassi, you make a good point. Your point was so good I went back and read the part where Hagrid tells Harry about the arguement he overheard between Snape & Dumbledore. I guess the reason I think it may not be about Snapes unbreakable vow is because in part of the arguement Snape says something about Dumbledore taking too much for granted... and then making investigations into his house. I guess (to me) that just doesn't seem to fit not wanting to protect Malfoy anymore.

On the subject of Dumbledore ... I have a funny feeling we might find out that he is a decendant of Gryffindor.

Investigations in his House
By Stuart Ballard at 2005/08/08 23:35

We're coming back to my original post: I think that his "house" refers to Spinner's End, not Slytherin. Hagrid assumes he means Slytherin, but we can't necessarily take Hagrid's word for it.

I suspect there's a Horcrux at Spinner's End for some reason.

Not sure about the taking too much for granted bit, but I am pretty convinced that the "gave his word" bit is talking about the Unbreakable Vow.

Harry is an Intentional Horcrux
By Plausible Prefect at 2005/08/10 18:40

Many theories have been proffered as to why Harry is a Horcrux. If Harry is a Horcrux and Voldemort knows it, Voldemort’s actions do not seem to support this knowledge. So, many abandon the deliberate Horcrux theory in support of the unintentional or accidental Horcrux theory. Even this theory runs into problems such as why didn’t Lily’s love completely block the Avada Kedavra curse or why does Harry have a scar when an Avada Kedavra curse leaves no visible mark? Did Lily’s curse combine with Voldemort’s curse and do something unintentional? As pointed out in the series, you have to really mean a curse for it to work. If both theories do not seem plausible, then can we walk away from them with the belief that Harry is not Horcrux – I don’t think so. What if Harry is an intentional Horcrux that Voldemort did not create?

We know that his faithful Death Eaters were searching for Voldemort’s soul after his death. This implies that they knew that Voldemort was immortal and perhaps they even knew about Horcruxes.

Bellatrix in the Half-Bood Prince mocks Harry with “did you love him little baby Potter?” J. K. Rowling has said that Voldemort did not enter the James’ house alone. Is this the reason Bellatrix still sees Harry as a baby? She seems the perfect suspect for being present the night Harry’s parents were attacked for she faithfully looked for her master after his death.

Clearly, Voldemort had no idea that Lily’s love would prevent Harry’s death and cause his own. He was in the process of creating a Horcrux and the person(s) who came with him could have finished the task. Afterall, at Voltemort’s death, his soul was probably still split. Perhaps one piece was retrieved and placed into Harry while the other piece got away. Then, Harry’s scar signifies a completed deliberate curse, a horcrux and the piece that got away is what the faithful Death Eaters were searching for.

Snape
By Professor Sprout (Email) at 2005/08/11 08:28

In the interview, Rowlings says yes to "Has Snape ever really been loved?" Lily, do you think? (If it weren't a kids' book, Dumbledore would seem like a very good guess.) Snape seems to be central to the plot of the seventh.
I like the speculation that LV promised Lily to Snape, and Snape turned from LV when he killed her. Then Dumbledore's trust in Snape would be based on his belief in the strength of love, which he's professed a few times. That Snape's love of Lily would keep him on the good side.

Theories For the end
By mike (Email) at 2005/08/11 11:59

I have two theories. First, I think that Harry is the last horcrux. It said that death was needed to make a horcrux, and both of his parents died that evening. DD alwas told harry that his scar was a special connection between him and voldy, and this is particularly expressed in Phoenix, when he has the dreams about the Dept. of Mysteries. That would mean that in the end, Harry would have to die along with voldy if he were truly never to return. Also, I utterly hate snape, but believe that he was ordered to kill DD by DD. As the previous post says, DD trust was based on love. I believe that like he told Harry as they went for the horcrux together, he told Snape to not break the vow no matter what he said later. That was why snape ignored the pleading. This also sets the stage for the last book. It clears dd out of the way so that harry and voldy can fight unhindered.

articles on mugglnet.
By Analog-X (Email) at 2005/08/11 17:42

So what do you people think about the two page article pictures on Mugglenet.

Horcrux... Duh!
By my AIM is : desimonkey92 (Email) at 2005/08/12 16:26

Ok, first it is an unbreakable VOW not promise.

But the main point is, my most obvious guess for the unknown horcrux is Gryfindor's sword! It is a sword relating to gryfindor, as the rest relate to the others. Also Dumbledore wouldn't have realized it because the sorting hat had its own magic. As well as because the sword always being concealed in the sorting hat.

Also i do believe LV did touch his wand while in DD's office, but i don't think he had to have murdered at that exact time to do so.
LV could have killed someone and then gone into DD's office, being as he killed so many people.
I also do not think the idea of transfiguring someone and killing him in DD's office would have been likely.
DD would have noticed the magic used to have kill someone.
Snape is definately a good guy and DD definately knew what was happenning(which was why he ws begging-begging Snape to carry on with it-Snape did not want to do it)

last chapter
By anon at 2005/08/14 21:57

Did anyone else see the direct similarities in the spider man movies and the funeral scene in HBP.

Finally after Mary-jane and Peter get together he breaks up with her because it is too dangerous for his enemies to get to him through her, and he must go off on his own to fight evil.

Also both happen at the grave of their mentor (harry-dd) (peter-uncle ben.)

DD related to Gryfindor?
By Dan at 2005/08/15 23:46

Is it possible that dd IS the decendant of Gryfindor. In CoS DD while speaking to harry in his office says that harry must have shown great loyalty to him while in the chamber and that is why faux brought him the sorting hat and the sword. Both the hat and sword relate to Gryfindor. Why were these items chosen in relation to dd. why not some other object relating to another house or no house at all?

Snape
By Turin Turambar at 2005/08/16 14:57

Snape is my favourite character(you hate me I know) and also the most complicated...Unfortunately he will die in the last book...

Dumbledore and Snape
By Stuart Ballard at 2005/08/17 00:00

Dumbledore being descended from Gryffindor is a distinct possibility in my mind, but not something I feel I can argue strongly enough to stake a claim on. I think I'd say I see about an equal chance that Dumbledore, Harry or nobody at all we know is descended from Gryffindor.

As far as Snape, I don't like him personally - he's vindictive, mean and childish. But I do completely believe that he's good and I understand why people think he's a fascinating character.

Why do you think he will die? And do you think it will be Harry who kills him?

Gryffindor's Heir?
By RoseMorninStar at 2005/08/17 04:16

JKR has said that Harry's lineage is not particularly interesting but that Dumbledore's background would be a more interesting line of inquiry. It really makes me think Dumbledore may be a decendent of Gryffindor (and Fawkes?)hmmm...
I would think that Dumbledore would have been able to test or tell in some way if the sword was a horcrux...or do you think you can only tell once the item has been destroyed? Dumbledore said that magic always leaves traces...
From a strictly literary point of view, it would make sense that Snape would die...either shortly before or shortly after Harry, et al, find out that he really was on the 'good side'. That said, plot twists and surprises are always good too!!

Dunbledore...Snape...
By Turin Turambar at 2005/08/19 12:38

Snape will die, I cannot explain, it is just a reader's intuition, besides he has nothing more to offer to the plot. He will die probably trying to save Harry and not killed by Harry. Voldemort being Slitherin descendant he owns Slitherin's heirlooms,same thing with Dumbledore if he is Griffindor's heir which is very probable: DD had said that he will never leave Hogwarts if someone stays faithful to him. Fawks, and the sword, the sorting hat stand for Dumbledore when Harry needs him in the Chamber Of Secrets. Therefore if Dumbledore can use and control those objects, he is the descendant of Griffindor. Dumbledore had said Harry that magic always leaves traces, DD would have known if black magic was casted in his office by Voldy on any of those objects so they cannot possibly be horcruxes.

Harry the Horcrux?
By Ricinda at 2005/08/20 01:52

I have read all the comments so far, adn I think I'm a little bit confused. How can Harry be the Horcrux? Lord Voldemort only heard half the prohecy and thus chose Harry as his equal, and therefore set out to kill him. It seems unlikely to me that harry woudl be the Horcrux, or his scar becuase why woudl Voldemort make Harry a Horcrux after killing his parents, when he knew he had to kill him; or alternatively, he would not have had time to make Harry a Horcrux assuming that the effects of the spell not working where immediate. I think I am confused, someone help me out here. Also, I don't think Harry's scar is a Horcrux, from what I have read, it apperas that Lord Voldemort wants to kill Harry as seen in every book, and most imporantly, book 4. If he killed Harry woudln't this effectively be destorying a part of his soul?

Do you guys think that Voldemort woudl have created a new Horcrux in repsonse to hearing that the diray had been destroyed? To keep the number up to 7?

Other than that, I think that Snape was good, and was acting on Dumbledore's orders to kill him, but I am not convinced about the Lily theory - if it was true, it was obviously very one sided, and it just seems unlikely. Howvere, it may explain why Snape hates Harry's dad so much, because as well as always being better than him, he got Lily. So there may be some merit. Anayway, just my thoughts.

So many thoughts
By Shannon at 2005/08/20 02:45

I'm not sure that I believe Harry or his scar is a horcrux....but definately a connection. One possibility for a horcrux is Tom Riddle's award for services to the school....just a thought.
I like the thought about Bella being at the house and hence her baby talk with Harry...interesting...and possibly why she tried so hard to find him(LV) perhaps she saw his soul lift from his body?
From what I remember of Harry's voyage into the pensieve of Snape's memories...Lily came to his defence and he called her a mudblood and didn't want her help...but she didn't seem keen on James either. You would think that even if Snape did have feelings for her that her choosing James would fuel his anger.

I'm interested to see what James and Lily did for a living...I've wondered about that since CoS when Aunt Marge asks what James did. Does anyone remember the mention of the room in the Dept of Mysteries that contains the same power inside of harry? and that people study it? maybe that's what Lily did?

As for Snape it's not cut and dry....if he wanted to kill Harry he could have let Quirrell finish him during the quiditch match, let Lupin attack as a werewolf, ignored Harry's warnings in OoP etc. Can't wait to see how that plays out!! Perhaps RAB stands for something else(instead of regulu black) the same way HBP stands for Snape. Maybe the locket was destroyed after LV's rebirth...and perhaps the potion was placed there after the locket was removed to prevent anyone from discovering it's disappearance.

Any thoughts?

So many thoughts
By Shannon at 2005/08/20 02:45

I'm not sure that I believe Harry or his scar is a horcrux....but definately a connection. One possibility for a horcrux is Tom Riddle's award for services to the school....just a thought.
I like the thought about Bella being at the house and hence her baby talk with Harry...interesting...and possibly why she tried so hard to find him(LV) perhaps she saw his soul lift from his body?
From what I remember of Harry's voyage into the pensieve of Snape's memories...Lily came to his defence and he called her a mudblood and didn't want her help...but she didn't seem keen on James either. You would think that even if Snape did have feelings for her that her choosing James would fuel his anger.

I'm interested to see what James and Lily did for a living...I've wondered about that since CoS when Aunt Marge asks what James did. Does anyone remember the mention of the room in the Dept of Mysteries that contains the same power inside of harry? and that people study it? maybe that's what Lily did?

As for Snape it's not cut and dry....if he wanted to kill Harry he could have let Quirrell finish him during the quiditch match, let Lupin attack as a werewolf, ignored Harry's warnings in OoP etc. Can't wait to see how that plays out!! Perhaps RAB stands for something else(instead of regulu black)